Now here is a real good indication of just how messed up some groups in the State of New Jersey are.
The New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals levied four counts against Teri Daubner, a Jefferson Township woman who authorities said failed to provide proper care for her dog and caused the death of a bear cub, said Matt Stanton, NJSPCA spokesman.
Teri Daubner was charged with two counts of failure to provide shelter for her dog and two counts of causing the death of an animal. The first counts are criminal charges, and the second counts are civil charges filed on behalf of the animal, Stanton said.
The charges carry a term of up to six months in jail and a maximum fine of $2000.00. The charges were made after an investigation determined that the dog got out off its pen and attacked the cub.
Now before, I go any further lets get a few facts right out in the open, Daubners dog had a history of being aggressive and in fact it was recently disclosed that her Rottweiler had previously attacked a Husky and fatally killed the dog in front of her house, there have been rumors of other stories, hearsay on the rumors but true on the Husky attack. Daubner was fined $2000.00 after pleading guilty and authorities decided not to euthanize the dog, stating they believed the dog’s aggressive behavior could be treated with training. Daubner had an outdoor kennel and after the attack on the Husky walked the dog with a muzzle.
Just read this again, then again and think of this.
The dog attacks and kills another dog and Dauber rightfully is fined and a hefty fine, the people owning the Husky apparently did not press for Dauber to be jailed, the court did not even pass a death sentence on the dog.
Now enter the “poor black bear” the mammal that over the past years including this year, has attacked and killed domestic, horses, sheep, goats, dogs, ducks, chickens broke into houses, garages, attacked people and estimates are approximately (52) humans killed in the last 100 years.
What is alarming however; is the following:
· May 2000: Glena Ann Bradley, killed and partially consumed by a (112) lb female and her (40) pound cub yearling. The attack occurred near the Goshen Prong/Little River trail junction 1.5 miles upstream from Elkmont, Great Smokey Mountains near Gatlinburg, Tennessee.
· July 2000: Mary-Beth Miller, 42, attacked and killed while on a training run in Quebec, Canada.
· June 2001: Kyle Harry, 18, Attacked and killed at a rural campsite east of Yellowknife in the Northwest territories, Canada.
· August 2001: Adelia Maestras Trujillo, 93, Bear breaks into house in New Mexico and is confronted by the elderly owner who dies during the attack.
· August 2002: Ester Schwimmer, 5 month old infant, Bear grabs and kills (5) month old infant from stroller on the porch of home in Fallsburg, New York.
· September 2002: Maurice Malenfant, Attacked and killed in his campsite in Gaspe’ region of Quebec.
· September 2002: Christopher Bayduza, attacked and killed at a remote campsite in Gaspe region, Quebec.
· April 2003: Denis Chretein, stalked, killed and partially consumed by large black bear, Waswanipi, Quebec.
· June 2005: Merlyn Carter, 71, Found dead in the main cabin of his fishing camp located Northwest Territories, Canada.
· August 2006: Harvey Robinson, 69, fatally mauled while picking plums, Winnipeg, Canada.
· September 2005: Jacqueline Perry, 30, killed in a predatory attack, Ontario, Canada, her husband seriously mauled trying to protect her.
· April 2006: Elora Petrasek, 6 years old, Attacked and killed while mother and 2 year old brother seriously injured, Cheroke Forest, Tennessee.
· June 2007: Samuel Evan, 11 years old, Taken from tent in American Fork Canyon, Utah and killed.
· July 2007: Robin Kochorek, 31, killed by black bear, Panorama Mountain Resort, British Columbia.
· May 2008: Cecile Lavoie, 70, killed by a black bear while fishing, La Sarre, Quebec.
Now what is important here, is that there are hunting seasons in many of these areas and the officials clearly state that the incidents would be much worse if there were no hunting. Why is this important? Because the anti-hunting/animal-rights groups attempt to turn this around in that hunting doesn’t prevent bear problems. Use simple common sense here; if black bears are attacking, mauling and killing, how could it be possible to control and reduce these incidents if the black bears are left to increase their population; IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.
These statistics clearly indicate a change in black bear behavior from shy and timid to aggressive. Sure it is the increase in human population and development of land that is adding to the black bear issues. So do we “punish” humans by subjecting them to mauling and death for population increases and land development?
Now back to Teri Daubner, she was fined accordingly for previous attack and resulting death of a domestic dog. The dog was given a chance to be rehabilitated, Daubner had an outside fenced kennel, and she walked the dog with a muzzle.
A black bear enters Daubners’ property, the dog as would most other domestic dogs, breaks out to defend its property as domestic dogs are in fact, territorial. It kills a “wild black bear” cub or adult doesn’t matter, the same species that has killed people, domestic pets, and livestock, broke into garages, houses infringes upon a humans right to enjoy tax paid for backyards and public parks.
So the great NJSPCA, Matt Stanton, now not only wants a fine but criminal charges and jail for Daubner.
Citizens of New Jersey, please look real hard at this non-sense, put a woman in jail because her dog killed a nuisance wild black bear and forget all of the “crimes” wild black bears have committed against humans.
Human Criminals that commit serious crimes are given more consideration than this. Let’s just fill up our already over crowded court calendars’ and jails with this type of crap.
Daubner should be paid and her dog given a medal for ridding us of one member of an overpopulated black bear that is a threat to our everyday lives, who have clearly demonstrated an “attitude change” to intrusive, aggressive, dangerous.
Jut recently in New Milford, a homeowner was deemed justified in shooting and killing a black bear with a shotgun, because it was shot 15 feet from his front door.
OK, I get it, lets fine Daubner and the dog for not properly estimating the distance between her front door and the dog kennel; sound silly? No more than Matt Stanton and the waste of time and taxpayers money he is creating under the guise of animal cruelty.
Any cruelty here is the “mean-spirited and cruel” behavior of this group and a spokesman like Matt Stanton. Perhaps the next time a black bear attacks, injures and/or kills we should bring him and his group up on charges with fines and jail time.
As we read these cases and read the rest of my blogs on this site which I have created to give the public factual information. Why? Because my daughter and 7 and 9 year old grandchildren are the victims of black bear sympathy created by these groups. So are thousands of others. We have a Governor and DEP Commissioner that are being misinformed and right or wrong politicians listen to the loudest voters.
The majority however, are not being heard because we are the “silent-majority” and these minority anti’s are organized to the point where they can give the Governor the wrong message.
Governor Corzine or Lisa Jackson are not hunters or may not even support hunting, but I believe they support human safety. Governor Corzine learned a very valuable lesson when his speeding vehicle crashed and by violating the states seat belt law he has brought injuries upon himself and fortunately did not cause injuries to any others. He got the message however; seat belts save lives and prevent injuries.
Now it is up to the silent majority to get him this message; “black bears are dangerous, they have killed and mauled humans, they are drastically infringing upon our freedoms, they are hunted in (26) other states wherein the Governors allow their wildlife biologists to perform their job responsibilities without being “handcuffed” by the political winds that throw-up potential negative voting.
I cannot believe that this Governor wants to be proven wrong again, by fielding the questions that will be raised from the death of a human by the New Jersey overpopulated black bear.
E-mail, call or write the Governor’s and DEP Commissioner Lisa Jacksons’ office : Tell them that you want our professional biologists and Fish & Wildlife “un-cuffed” so they can do what needs to be done to reduce the black bear population and with it the problems they have caused and serious dangers they pose when overpopulated. Tell them our votes count but our safety counts more.
Governor Corzine:
Office of The Governor
PO Box 001
Trenton, New Jersy 08625
(609) 292-6000
DEP Commissioners’ Office:
Lisa P. Jackson, Commissioner
401 E. State Street
7th Floor, East Wing
P.O. Box 402
Trenton, New Jersey 08625-0402
Phone: 609-292-2885
Fax: 609-292-7695
Let them hear from those of us that live in Bear Country and face the threats and are waiting for the shoe to drop on the inevitable serious mauling and/or death of a human.
Mike D
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Mike, you have hit the nail on the head. I think it is absolutely rediculous to prosecute this woman for an altercation between a wild and domestic animal. What if the Rottie had been killed?…is that ok, or is the NJSPCA going to press charges against the Mother Bear?!?
Daubner should and is rightfully facing those charges. Her dog is a menace, attacking and ultimately killing a neighbors Husky dog who was on a leash. Her neighbors have stated that she can not control her dog and they are afraid of it. A dog capable of killing a bear cub ( who by the way weighed about 50 lbs.) is capable of killing a child. You are an idiot if you want to support someone who irresponsibly handled her dog and allowed it to kill this bear cub, especially considering the dog’s previous behavior. I’ll be surprised if you allow my comment to be seen.
Hi Jodi, thank you for the response and for reading the article in full. She was already punished for the past incident with the Husky. The court ruled that the dog should not be destroyed, she was fined accordingly.
In this case the bear was on her property, a dog guards it’s property, that is it’s job. This is the worst non-sense involving the black bear problem in N.J. to date, the courts should throw this out immediately and we as taxpayers should stay involved as it is our money that will be wasted.
If the NJSPCA wants to get involved on behalf of the bear then they should be held liable for cases wherein the bears damage, maul and kill. In other words, they choose to represent the black bears, it works both ways.
Mike D.
MiMI, thank you for the response however, I would offer two suggestions; read the article in full and no need to resort to name calling (the Idiot remark) this is an open blog wherein I invite both positive and negative comments. Both can be written in an intelligent tone.
Daubner, was in fact punished for the inceident with the Husky, she was fined and the court, listen again, the court, deemed that the dog should not be destroyed and instead had potential to be rehabilitated.
The bear entered Daubner’s property, her dog was on her property and did what the majority of dogs would do, defended it’s turf. So in this case, yes I along with many others would and in fact will, defend her. First, of all this was a “wild” bear and in spite of what the animal rights or really anti-hunterts try to convey, wild, not domestic nor human.
This year so far and keep in mind the worst is yet to come as the black bear prepares for winter, the state recorded (1,372) incidents of damage and nuisance created by bears statewide and (55) home breakin’s. This is far short of the actual problems as hundreds of people simply do not call in, nor do police departments record all calls.
We have too many bears in this state and these problems are going to get worse.
In addition, we are iving in troubled times with the economy, war, fuel prices and subsequent increases in crime.
What kind of person would even dream of wasting the taxpayers money to defend a nuisance black bear that is in fact a real criminal or much worse attempt to put a human being in jail because her domestic pet killed one of these trespassers.
Just suppose this were to work and down the road one of your family members had a dog that killed a trespassing black bear on their property, say your father, mother , sister, brother some other family member or a friend, how would you like to see them sent to jail?
Oh! think it couldn’t happen well all animals are unpredicitable like this past weekend when a perfectly model Husky family pet with no history of aggression, somehow bit a six day old newborn and the baby died.
So I would take a closer look at what you are saying, civilized people with the right mind set, do not defend “wild-nuisance-black bears” and attempt to waste court time, taxpayers money and put a woman in jail with “real-criminals” because her domestic dog killed a trespassing wild bear on her property.
This black bear non-sense has to stop especially when we drop to this level. attempting to put humans in jail, animal rights are going way to far because in this case the black bear has lost it’s rights. We need to reduce the black bear population and this one trespassing bear has no impact on that problem.
Mike D
It’s been SO upsetting here in West Milford over this summer with SO many chickens, ducks, bunnies etc. killed…. I think all the “bear savers” should have to come clean up the mess every time it happens. It isn’t bad enough that pets are beingmauled bfore the *children owners eyes* but then even for the adult owners cleaning up the “pile” of the leftovers is just heart wrenching. Black bears in the east have but 1 predator & that is man and without a hunt they will continue to just multiplie like bunnies….
Mom2Cool: Thank you for the comments, as you know and rightly state this has gone too far, we all need to contact the Governor and DEP Commissioner, they need to know that the tide has turned and that the majority wants this problem resolved. Hunting is the only proven method, but it is not about hunting, trophy hunts, F&G wanting to protect their jobs. This is about human safety, domestic pets and livestock and the “common-sense right humans expect over wild animals”.
Mike D
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I need some help on getting rid of a nuisance black bear which appears and reappears on my street and in my backyard and driveway. I agree with everything you have said Mike D. This issue infuriates me and I am going to attack the issue with the governor as you have. I want this bear ( a mother and 2 cubs) who has been around my neighborhood for years, removed before a child is killed….if a murderer was hanging out outside my house and in my driveway, I would be able to call the police and have the predator locked up. Why do I have to wait and simply “stay inside” my house to wait for a bear (also a predator) to leave the area, leaving me and my children in fear of playing in our backyard! These same nuisance bears were seen outside our local elementary school multiple times and the school was told to “keep all children inside”. Again, an inappropriate and insufficient response. Lets protect children first.
Darcey B. Thank you for the response and interest.
Here is some recent news that will certainly have a major impact on the black bear problems this coming year:
Catagory 1 Bears that are a real threat to public safety and property. These are the most serious bear-human interactions and include livestock kills, pet kills, vehicle entries, home entries, attacks on humans, unprovoked dog attacks, and similar events.
Catagory 1 rose from 112 in (2007) to 276 in (2008)a 146% increase.
Catagory 11 Nuisance Bears that are not a threat to public safety or property (At this time and important to remember that these Cataory 11 Bears could easily join the ranks of Catagory 1 Bears as they get away with these so-called lessor crimes paving the way for bolder encounters) These include incidents where the bears caused property damage vauled at less then $500.00, or got into garbage, or entered a campsite but didn’t do any damage.
Catagory 11 rose from 726 in (2007) to 1489 in (2008) a 105% increase.
Lisa Jackson left the Corzine Administration to head the EPA under the new administration. The new acting Commissioner is Mark Mauriello. So we are starting all over again with establishing relationships between Mark Mauriello and the Fish 7 Game Council.
It is extremely important to note here that Governor Corzine has absoulty no knowledge of Wildlife Management and so relies on his staff for direction. Lisa Jackson, who possessed no knowledge either was basically against hunting which fit in with the Governors position as well.
The anti-hunting/animal-rights groups have succeeded in putting together a communications network that has mislead the public, Governors Office and DEP into accepting false information on controlling wildlife populations. These groups are supported with significant funding from around the country and these contributors are not concerned with the safety of New Jersey residents. New Jersey is their last battleground as they have lost in (28) other states that allow their professional Fish & Game departments and biologists to control wildlife populations with science rather than emotions or politics.
In fact some of these states are even raising the culling limits to allow for continuing development of land. Wisconsin by 55%, Maryland raised the limit and now Kentucky has approved a hunt for just (10) bears as with an estimated population of 350 bears they have become more brazen with humans.
New Jersey has a proven history of the positive effect that hunting made on problem bears; both in 2003 and 2005 when the hunts were approved the following years bear problems went (down) in the years without hunting and most notably the past two years they have sky-rocketed.
I cannot believe that Govenor Corzine is just waiting for a human, more than likely a child to be mauled or killed by a black bear before he understands the problem and need to follow the lead of (28) other Governors and let the F&W manage the black bear population through the (only) proven method; (HUNTING) This is not a cry for a hunting season but an outreach for everyone to understand that there is no way possible for New Jersey to avoid “more” serious black bear problems as they continue to rise, unless the black baer population is reduced. Do not buy into this non-sense that hunting will not reduce the problem black bears because they roam populated areas; this is NewJersey and the populated areas wherein we have problems are all surrounded by? you gussed it “Hunting Lands” especially West Milford, Vernon, Franklin, Blairstown, etc.
Darcey, get the message to your family and friends because we need the DEP to step up and give Governor Corzine the right information and I believe hee will understand and respect that (28) other Governors all contending with black bear problems cannot be wrong.
Mike D.
Hi Mike,
Do you happen to know the outcome of the case against Teri Daubner?
Thanks!
Hi Jodi, no word as of yet but will keep looking and print anything I here
Mike
why would the dog be put down it was on the ladys property and it was just protecting its territory. jezz
Bob, thank you for the question. The New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals is the organization that has overstepped its boundries and taken to passing judgement not on the overpopulated black bear that is causing damage all about N.J., but against a domestic dog and it’s owner
The NJSPCA has done a great deal of good in their primimary cause of preventing cruelty to domestic animals, now it would appear that they have joined the misleading animal-right and anti-hunting groups by coming up with this non-sense; four counts, two for failure to provide proper care for her dog (the dog was inside a fenced in pen) and two for caused death of a black bear cub, which in overpopulation was trespassing on the dog owners property and the property which by nature a dog would consider protecting.
The NJSPCA in filing these charges on behalf of the black bear, should then be held liable for the attackes and deaths on domestic pets by black bears. They want to represent the bear then it goes both ways.
Of course the dog should not be put down but to date there appears to be no new information on this case.
As citizens of this country and part of a Global Financial crisis, we can only hope that some Judge has enough common-sense to throw this out of court. We do not have the funds to waste on prosecuting a person and considering a jail sentence because her dog, got out of a fenced in kennel, protected his turf and killed a trespassing, overpopulated black bear.
People have killed trespassing black bears, private citizens and the police and it was legal because the black bears were a threat to their safety, in yards, garages, houses and commercial properties.
This non-sense has to stop the black bear is simply overpopulated, out of control and being used as an anti-hunting platform by animal-right and anti-hunting groups that have lost their battles in nearly every state but N.J.
However, even N.J. politicans are catching on to the misleading information provided by these groups and now see the danger to humans more important than playing politics.
If I find out any current status I will post it for everyone.
Mike D.
I just wanted to say that some of you are being ridiculous. I live in BC where there are a lot of wild black bears most of them are harmless and afraid of people. I have come across many in my own back yard and you need to treat them with respect. If you react to them and treat them properly then most of the time you won’t have any problems with them. You bring up some statistics about bears killing or harming people. Those are the exceptions. You complain that they are coming on to your property that you have paid for etc. The bears where here a long time before we were ever here. When you deal with any kind of wild animal you need to take precautions and deal with them on their terms. You are being ignorant if you think that a bear or any kind of wild animal is going to understand the concept of property and the fact that you work hard to pay for your land and home. The animal is only going on instinct and the need to look for food and protect it’s young. The majority of bear attacks are the result of people doing stupid things like hand feeding the bears for a good picture (yes it is true). As for the dog… the dog should have been put down when it attacked the other dog. The dog was fine in guarding it’s territory from wild animals. Dogs are there to warn and protect their owners so it didn’t do anything wrong. I feel that if more people learned how to treat bears that there would be a lot less attacks and mauling.
Hi Teresa, thank you for taking the time to respond to my OPED.
What really needs to be respected are the “rights” humans expect to have in order to live and raise their families in a safe environment.
When you suggest that “bears are harmless and afraid of people” and state; “you have to react to them and treat them properly”; then MOST OF THE TIMES, you won’t have any problems, you are overlooking “black bear overpopulation” and with it the possibility of someone being caught unaware of their presence. More importantly, you are not taking into consideration “children” especially young children that simply may not know “how to react to them and treat them properly”. Please do not “go there” with children must learn and parents are responsible for their safety. Young children of the best parents just “do things” quickly and yes parents are responsible which is why responsible parents are supporting a bear hunt.
Bears killing people are the exception? Really! how do you think the families of the victims feel about that, their loved ones were just an exception?
My complaint, as is the complaint of thousands of people living in bear country, is that “bears” are dangerous, distructive and no more welcome on our properties than any other threatening body.
Your statement; “the bears were here a long time before we were here” so what? Ironically, there were less bears here then than there are now, so NO, bears were here sure but not in the overpopulated numbers that exist today.
Can you guess why? Well for one thing they were always hunted until 1970. Then New Jersey Division Fish & Wildlife
saw that they were not propagating in sufficient enough numbers to maintain a healthy population.
At that point NJDF&W, in cooperation with hunters, stopped holding annual bear hunting seasons. In spite of all the bad PR heaped on New Jersey hunters, their cooperation was needed in order to make this a successful recovery; and they gave it.
Dealing with wild animals on “their terms” I totally agree, I agree but only when you are on their “turf”. On my “turf” in my yard, in my garage, in my house, strangers deal on my “terms”. Those terms are simple, don’t destroy my property and don’t threaten the safety of my family.
I think you searched hard for a way to include an insulting remark like; “I am ignorant” if I think a bear is going to understand the concept of property and the fact that i pay for the land and home. SORRY, Teresa, you know quite well that was not the point but if it made you feel better to use the word “ignorant” for no reason, I am OK with that.
Here is the point of “contradiction” that takes away any good basis for your argument; you state; “The animal is only going on instinct and the need to look for food and protect it’s young”
Right Teresa, that is what millions of New Jersey citizens are doing every day, going to work to earn money to pay for food and the shelter of homes and properties to protect their young and not to have property, domestic pets and livestock destroyed and families living with the threat of “OVERPOPULATED BLACK BEARS” preventing that objective.
A judge determined that the dog should “NOT” be put down and thank you for understanding that the dog was certainly right for the bear incident.
The most important fact here is this; there is no way possible for New Jersey to allow the black bear population to keep on growing and expanding throughout the state. Sure those of us living in bear country, although not “out of harms way” concerning black bear dangers, are hopefully a little more aware of the danger. But in other areas of the state as the overpopulated black bear expands it’s range and searches for room, in places like Wayne, N.J. where a black bear killed a Border Collie a few weeks ago and was tracked in the snow and found living under a deck in some development, these people are in real danger and may not even know it. I know education, well not really, just overpopulation.
It is no longer about simply learning how to “treat” bears, it is about too many bears, IT IS ABOUT BRINGING THE POPULATION TO AN ACCEPTABLE, SAFE NUMBER and hunting is the only proven solution to solving that problem.
Lastly, just to ease your mind, there is no way at all that the experienced professionals of the NJDF&W, THE NON-HUNTING CITIZENS THAT SUPPORT HUNTING, HUNTERS AND ANTI-HUNTERS ARE GOING TO LET THE BEARS BE HUNTED TO EXTINCTION. NO WAY!!!!
Mike D
how would you feel about the same dog after it possibly kills or maims a neighborhood child which could wander onto the owner’s property? The dog has no clue as to the difference between the human child or the bear child.
Killer dogs, whose owners do not leash and control, have been, and will continue to be, more of a threat to humans than black bears. that’s a fact.
http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/danger.htm
HI Claire, the issue of whether or not the dog was a “killer” and should have been put down was decided by a Court Judge. Apparently that Judge had reason to believe, after reviewing the entire case, that the dog was not a threat to humans.
As for your conclusion that a dog has no clue as to the difference between a human child or bear child; WRONG!
Just take a walk through the pet adoption pages and read the issues dogs have for example;
Not good with cats
Gets along with other female dogs only
Not good for children under 10 years old
Does not get along with adult males
Etc, etc, etc.
Dogs that attack other dogs are often seen laying next to babies; take a look at the dog whisperer.
I doubt if any Judge would take the responsibility for releasing a “human killer dog” to live another day with the possibility of killing a human child or adult. Dogs that have actually attacked humans are usually put down very quickly, as they should, I have no disagreement with you here.
However, my main concern in this case is the NJSPCA, looking to put the owner in jail, the judge let the dog live why don’t they go after the judge? THE NJSPCA FILED CHARGES ON BEHALF OF THE BEAR; if they want to go that route then the NJSPCA should be held liable when any dogs, other domestic pets or livestock is attacked or killed by bears, IN OTHER WORDS IF THEY REPRESENT THE BEARS THEN THEY SHOULD BE CHARGED ACCORDINGLY.
But anyways, I have a question for you? how would you feel sometime this year if a “wild” black bear, due to this now proven black bear “overpopulation” and NO FEAR of humans, attacks and kills a child? I know you would be sick for sure.
Problem is Claire, we need to start managing the black bear, through hunting (the only proven method) to bring down the population because right now they are a serious threat to human safety.
Please try to think of this very simple fact; how can any “wild-dangerous-animal” just be left to multiply to whatever number they can reach, where are they going to live?, where?
I totally respect anyone that cannot accept “hunting as wildlife management, hunting for sport or hunting for food”, but those that believe in hunting, hunters and/or non-hunters that support hunting, do deserve the same respect in return. Hunting is a “legal” right that we have an option “to do or not do”. It is also the main tool for wildlife population management.
Black bear hunting in New Jersey has gone beyond sport or food, it is now a matter of “human-safety”. If anyone cannot accept hunting then they should look the other way as is done when going to a supermarket to buy steak. When someone picks up the T-BONE, do they envision Bessie the cow?
Claire, many hunters in N.J. could care less about hunting a black bear however, farmers and landowners that lease their land for hunting are telling the hunters that when the season is opened they expect them to hunt bears. The NJDF&W needs respect for the experienced professionals that they are. The safety of humans, the ability to live safely with black bears and the future of the black bear themselves depends on these professionals not on the emotional groups that close their eyes to the real problem and are willing to gamble with human life.
Why can they do this? because when a tradegy happens they will turn tail and run for some little, hidden dark corner. Then will come this very big noise; “why we are not the experts, we have no responsibility call the Governor, jail the NJDF&W, go away.”
Mike D
I will be quite straightforward: your blogs are too long, too wordy and too one-sided. It is really a chore to read through the whole thing, I admit. You may get more support if you cull it a little.
I live in an area where the bears go to the problem households only. Garbage is the problem , period end of story. most people are lazy and stupid and in general, unfortunately, will not take training or re-educating. so most likely there will be another or several bearhunts. And that will be the only immediate solution. At least they will be of short duration.
As far as ” not good for children under 10″ or not good for other adult male dogs, etc………people will say anything to get the results they want. I never ever trust any animal to their own perogatives and I wish others would do the same.
And I certainly don’t believe in infallibility with regards to our Judges.
thanks for posting my thoughts
Thanks again Claire, I appreciate your comments but these are not just blogs “they are OPEDS” and as such they must contain descriptive and accurate facts and that takes words, space and time. In the case of black bears the only way to expose the misleading anti’s is too provide detailed information with factual back up, again wordy is important.
I do however, receive a great deal of support and this site is in the top 100 viewed in the country regarding black bears.
I will be writing more blog like articles each week as we begin the debates regarding the DEP decision to move forward with the hunt, they will be “culled” and short.
I don’t understand one-sided, since I have always expressed understanding for those opposed to a hunt, I have acknowledged garbage, the primary and only argument of the anti’s, as important in combination with hunting, I expressed understanding for emotions, but I will not compromise on the need to “cull” the overpopulated black bear, sorry if that is taken as one sided.
If you want to see one sided look at the response from a Patty C under recent posts regarding “Should There be A Bear Hunt oped.” you will see wordy and sick.
After all of the information I have provided it is disappointing to hear you go back to “GARBAGE” period, end of story?
Com’on Claire, sure garbage is a problem but the period, end of story is “overpopulation” can you not understand that no wild animal can just be left to multiply year after year?
We too live in a major bear problem area, keep our garbage in the garage, drilled a one inch hole in the lid and keep ammonia soaked paper towels on top of the garbage, never had a bear go for the garbage, but still they come in our yard and about our house even on the deck, this is not garbage it is too many bears, no place to go.
You never ever trust any animal to their own prerogatives, well right; hope you have included the “wild” black bear and I sure wish others do the same. If one worries about a domestic, pet dog better triple those worries about a bear. By the way the descriptions of dog behavior are from animal adoption centers and they must be accurate in order to place the dogs in the proper home.
Well we do have common ground on your last point regarding judges, agree fully, but in this case many people have written in support of that decision, as do I.
Guess here goes “wordy” again but no other way to answer several of your comments without being rude.
I was very happy to post your thoughts, they were very interesting hope you look at future articles. (At least the short ones)
Mike D
“…Com’on Claire, sure garbage is a problem but the period, end of story is “overpopulation” can you not understand that no wild animal can just be left to multiply year after year?”
mike D, You are too much. That’s exactly what we humans do. We are not wild animals though? right
As far as saying you understand others’ opinions and emotions: You say that. If one is able to spend the time reading through your posts, it certainly would seem that after all is said, you really don’t give a rat’s rump about any opinion but your own. I don’t either.
the hunt will go on
and really won’t make a difference, since bears migrate all over the place
Now I am going out to feed our bears. heehee
Claire, no it seems that you don’t want to here anything about a hunt
Claire, my posts and my blog are dedicated to supporting a black bear hunt in order to gain control of the proven overpopulation.
Understanding others opinions and emotions doesn’t mean I change my views.
But Claire, what are you all about? The hunt will make a difference. How old are you with comments like”Now I am going out to feed our bears. hee hee”
It is great to see people like you make fools of themselves.
Mike D
Why is it so many get upset about a dog—a Rotweiller that had some serious problems—-hey NJ how many people have been killed by bee stings and spider bites in the last hundred years—-
I am not disparaging of 52 killed by bears in the last hundred years, how many have been killed for provafication, I an more interested in that—–if you separate those out—maybe 30 have been killed for no apparent reason—-again you seem to twist facts to suit your little point of few of Killing sleeping bears
But I could be wrong as usual
Duck, you are starting to make no sense at all.
Mike D
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